As David mentioned earlier, there are so many wonderful discussions going on throughout the comments, it's difficult to decide where to take this Conversation next. While I want all of them to continue, I've also been thinking of something which I'd like my cohorts (and all of you) to weigh-in on. So let's move through Globes stuff, as the great Grambo would say, bullet-stizz, and then get on to something else.
- Liz gave me too much Globe fodder to chew on. I'm not ready to make any actual predictions – the one thing the Globes have going for them is they often manage to surprise. The most interesting awards might be those Motion Picture acting categories. Liz mentioned Imelda Staunton, and for my money, it shouldn't even be a contest. While not a big fan of Birth, I did love Nicole Kidman, but Staunton's performance in Vera Drake hit me harder than any other this year. The transformation we see her go through, and the nearly silent breakdown she experiences in the brilliant interrogation scene should be enough. Can it win her an Oscar? Who knows. But the fact that the HFPA nominated her means the members saw her, and if you've seen her, regardless of how you feel about the entire movie, I imagine the power of Staunton's performance touched you too.
- Jamie Foxx, meanwhile, managed to give what I think are two more of the best performances in two of the most overrated and disappointing films of the year. As Ben alluded to in the comments, Foxx's people probably made the choice of how to campaign for him. I believe the HFPA has the flexibility to nominate in the categories they see fit, but for the Oscars, it is actually up to the film's studio to determine to what category an actor will be submitted.
- I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I was really dissatisfied with Team America: World Police. I found it dull; I thought most of the jokes fell flat; the gimmick got tired after about 20 minutes; and most disappointing to me, the songs were really subpar. Even "America, Fuck Yeah," didn't stick in my head all that long, and none of the others did at all. Since I consider the South Park movie to be a genius work of satire with brilliant and memorable songs I sang for weeks, I was looking for something a lot better.
- Liz also mentions that the TV nominations don't move her all that much. I'm a bit surprised because TV is one area where the Globes often go against conventional wisdom, and I think there are some great shows eligible to win the prize. I wholeheartedly agree with her about Oliver Platt and Huff, though. The show started slow, but it has grown on me each week. The one element that has never wavered, though, is the superbly manic portrayal of Huff's best friend by Platt. I'll be rooting for him too.
- In the series categories, I'm hoping "Drama" comes down to Deadwood versus Lost, and I really think the HBOer should get it. I wouldn't be surprised if the HFPA went with Nip/Tuck, though. They shocked everyone by giving the award to FX's other series, The Shield in 2003. In Deadwood's favor, I think the Globes like giving awards to critically praised shows and people snubbed by the Emmys, and I'm hoping Ian McShane benefits from that as well.
- "Comedy" is another story with only two shows that rightfully should receive this award: Arrested Development and Desperate Housewives. While my pick would be with the former, Liz's apt comments regarding the latter's dominance of the TV landscape as reflected by the three Best Actress nominees has got to make ABC's newcomer the favorite.
Moving beyond the Globes for a moment, I've noticed a lot of discussion regarding The Life Aquatic, I (Heart) Huckabees and Hero and House of Flying Daggers. I'm sure everyone came to all of these films with certain expectations. For me, The Life Aquatic was one of the most disappointing films I saw this year. So was Collateral, a movie that I really wanted to like even though I'm not generally a Michael Mann fan. But the damn thing just kept bitch-slapping me around, daring me to go along with its atrocious script until I couldn't take it anymore. While I love Wes Anderson, what was missing from The Life Aquatic was, ironically enough, any sense of life. (And just for the record, I refuse to dignify Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events or its director Brad Silberling with the dignity of being an integral part of this discussion.)
This all plays into the "expectations" argument a bit, but I wonder, what films did everyone find most disappointing in 2004? Did you completely dislike them, or did they just not live up to what your hopes for them? I remember not expecting much from The Terminal, but I was actually angry when I walked out because I couldn't believe that Spielberg would be so lazy to move ahead with a slapdash script containing tons of holes and virtually no logic. I was angry at him. I'm not angry at Anderson; just a bit sad that with all I liked about the movie, it still couldn't hold my interest enough to give a shit.
For those of you who just can't get on board with Huckabees, were you upset by the result because you anticipated something more straightforward and less esoteric from Russell? Were you expecting to love it? Do you find the film to simply reflect the director's pretensions?
I found that after seeing House of Flying Daggers, I had trouble deciding whether I liked it more or less than Hero, but my initial gut reaction told me I preferred Hero due to its more striking visuals, with those breathtaking vibrant colors at the mercy of Christopher Doyle's camera. While still wonderful, I found the look of Daggers less sumptuous. However, as I mentioned on my blog the other day, I was more interested in Daggers' love triangle, regardless of its simplicity, than Hero's Rashomon-like tale. The flaws of one are the strengths of the other.
So what does this all mean about the way we watch movies? Are you more disenchanted with a movie that doesn't fulfill its potential than one which never should have been very good to begin with?
One last thing before I take my leave, probably until sometime on Sunday: Back in the comments to Filmbrain's first post is a long discussion regarding auteurs. Britopia and Filmbrain both mention that films have been hurt by the desire of directors to write their own films, whereas so many of the greats from the early days never wrote their own scripts, or if they did, it was in collaboration with another writer.
I actually agree with their notion that too many writers want to direct while too many directors try to write, and sometimes the singular creative force can actually be detrimental. But what neither Britopia nor Filmbrain seem to take into account (unless I just missed it) is that this development has been in part a direct result of the changes in the business. In the Studio days, story departments would have dozens of writers under contract, churning out scripts which could then be selected by or assigned to directors under contract on the same lot. Directors weren't expected to write their own material, and people became directors by working as cameramen, assistant directors, etc.
That's just not the case anymore. These days, if you want to become a director, nobody is going to hand you the material to do so. Until you're a proven commodity, no major financier is going to sink millions into a production to allow you to direct a film, certainly not if the script comes from someone else and you have nothing else to show. These days, if you want to be a filmmaker, you either have to find a writing partner or be willing to create your own material. Otherwise, there's not really another way to even get in the door.
Alright, that's enough for me tonight. I believe each of us will be back once or twice throughout the weekend, but posting might be a bit lighter. Keep the comments going though.
Regarding the post title: aren't all awards ultimately a letdown? Really, all they do is let people snipe about the fashion on display at the ceremony and piss and moan about what should've won the award instead. (Nice thing about living in Australia, parenthetically: the O
Posted by: James Russell | 15 January 2005 at 04:28 AM
As I was trying to say before I got cut off: the nice thing about living in Australia is that the Oscars happen during the afternoon, our time, so the results come through during the afternoon and we don't have to actually watch the ceremony to find out who won.
As for Huckabees
Posted by: James Russell | 15 January 2005 at 04:29 AM
ARGH. This is starting to piss me off now...
As for Huckabees, I didn't expect to love it as such, but most of the buzz surrounding the film (that I read anyway) was mostly positive and the concept struck me as a good one, so I did expect to like it more than I wound
Posted by: James Russell | 15 January 2005 at 04:30 AM
... up doing.
JESUS. What is up with the comments on this thing? *kicks Typepad*
Posted by: James Russell | 15 January 2005 at 04:31 AM
Oh, Aaron! Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events was hands-down the best children's film -- containing one of the best and most misunderstood performances -- of the year!
But I admit that it's definitely one of my more esoteric favourites of the year and I can very quickly accept that it just doesn't float some people's boat -- likewise with Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy, which I think is both a minor masterpiece of absurdity in the vein of Monty Python [though not on the same level, of course] and the best film to come out this Hollywood boy's club to date -- a club that consists of Ferrell, Vaugn, Stiller, the Wilson brothers and any combination thereof [Wes Anderson-directed pictures aside, of course].
I, uh, don't know why I brought that up.
Posted by: Matt | 15 January 2005 at 04:37 AM
I think the problem is yours, James, not Typepad's.
And, for the record, I almost never check the results online during the afternoon -- I always watch the ceremony, just because.
Posted by: Matt | 15 January 2005 at 04:39 AM
I do think we inevitably compare movies to what we expect of them - to me the generally negative reactions to "The Life Aquatic" (one of my favorite films of the year and one of Wes Anderson's best films) have everything to do with comparison...but I dont know if that's a bad thing. It just is. Sometimes I wish we could see more movies without any of the baggage that we take to our viewing, but in this day and age that's pretty impossible, especially for people who like to keep up with film news.
Take "Million Dollar Baby", for example - I'm resisting seeing that just because of the associations I already have with it, not just from articulate negative reviews but from Clint Eastwood's name on it as director. I already assumed it'd be heavy-handed before I even read a word about the plot, just based on his other films ("Unforgiven", "Mystic River", etc.)
And sure, we react more strongly against movies we expect to like, or movies that other people tell us we should like, than against movies that everyone accepts as 'dumb but entertaining' or whatever.
Posted by: Dave Heaton | 15 January 2005 at 09:57 AM
Matt: I don't want to sound overly-harsh about Lemony Snickety -- I didn't hate it. However, I would disagree that it's such a great children's film. But this movie does present an interesting situation for me, especially in relation to "expectations."
Have you read the books upon which the movie is based? I have. And when I walked out of the theater, I had two reactions. (I wrote about this a bit before.) First, if one hasn't read the books, the movie is quite enjoyable. Personally, I don't think Jim Carrey's performance is misunderstood; I just think it's a bit too much. It's a recurring problem when a director doesn't reign in Carrey. The same thing happens with Robin Williams. The two of them are hypertalented -- unless a director places a firm grip on what they're doing, they take over, and distract from the movie.
But if one has read the books, I can't imagine not experiencing some degree of anger as to how Silberling and company basically mangled a wonderful series of child empowerment stories. Talking about adaptations is tricky because most people won't have read the books, and any movie, of course, needs to stand on its own. I'm not saying a filmmaker needs to be a slave to his/her source material. However, I found myself angry at how Silberling and screenwriter Robert Gordon diminished the soul of the story. In part, this is directly due to the presence of Carrey whose Count Olaf was more of a supporting character, while still being an ever-present villain, in the books.
The changes made in the adaptation didn't improve on the story that was being told, and actually detracted from giving these kids the credit they deserve for their own strength and ingenuity.
In the books, the adults continuously disregard what the children know to be true regardless of the evidence. An expression of adult arrogance , it is also a representation of the feeling every child has at times of being invisible in the midst of any important discussion. This recurs whenever Olaf shows up in disguise: the kids are always able to see through it in no time at all, but the adults won't listen. Mr. Poe, the executor the children's estate, embodies this characteristic most of all. He's the primary adult witness to all of Olaf's machinations, yet he still doesn't listen to the children.
Additionally, an entirely new element was added to the story -- that involving the spyglasses and the search for some huge conspiracy – which also gave the adults too much credit for having a clue, when really the point is that none of them do.
Obviously, if you haven't read the books, you can't know any of this, and the movie is fine. But going to the heart of my overall question regarding expectations and disappointment, I think even if the resulting film was fine, the filmmakers did a disservice to the source material, not because they changed things, but because they did so comparatively for the worst.
Posted by: Aaron | 15 January 2005 at 11:26 AM
I think the "life" missing from Life Aquatic was probably due to Owen Wilson not working on the script. Apparently, bringing the "life" was his department. Of course, expectations play a role here as well. I thought Life Aquatic was a very good film, but like many, I was disappointed. After Rushmore and Royal Tenenbaums (the latter being a "perfect film" in my opinion), a let down was inevitable. Bill Murray, per usual, was brilliant in Aquatic and he definitely held the movie together. Alas, the rest of the cast were underused in my opinion...although I got a kick that Cate Blanchett was still doing Hepburn (especially since I saw The Aviator only a few days before Life Aquatic).
House of Daggers is definitely a lesser film than Hero, mainly because unlike Hero, Daggers is merely a lesser Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Although both Hero and Daggers suffer greatly from Zhang Yimou’s need to end all his films with woefully over-the-top, maudlin death scenes. Everyone MUST suffer, everyone MUST weep, and everyone MUST die. The Story of Qiu Ju was his only film that didn’t have a tear-drenched body count at its climax…and not coincidentally, it was his best film to date.
Posted by: Eddy Faust | 15 January 2005 at 01:02 PM
I think the only films I was honestly disappointed by this year might have been The Ladykillers and Alexander. In the case of the former, I had high hopes for a 'real' Coen Brothers film, not some faux-Coen effort like Intolerable Cruelty. It was not to be (they really need to stop writing these scripts for hire and then deciding to direct them themselves). With Alexander, I smelled disaster early on, but maintained some degree of hope that Stone's mania would be the glue holding all the bad wigs and accents together. No such luck. But even in these cases, my disappointment was not in any way crippling -- my expectations had already been lowered. On the other hand, the lackluster trailer for The Life Aquatic and a fear that Anderson was merely going to keep repeating himself left me wide open to be amazed by the film itself.
I've only read the first Lemony Snicket book, and while I thought Silberling did a decent job, I think a much better movie could have been made (particularly now that you've revealed, Aaron, that the spyglass element was a figment of the screenwriter's imagination -- that seemed so damned tidy). I don't see how Carrey's performance could be misunderstood -- it's a widely accepted fact that, without the benefit of a great director, he's a ham. The malevolence he showed when he wasn't hamming it up showed how great he could have been without his 'little additions' -- but alas, them cameras, they did roll on.
Posted by: dvd | 15 January 2005 at 02:43 PM
I've not read the books, Aaron; maybe I should before I discuss the film any further. I see where you're coming from. Certainly, to an uninitiated audience, the adults' stupidity, the children's ingenuity -- Hell, even Olaf's status as a supporting character -- all remain very much intact. One of the things that I thought was best about the movie, and the reason I call it a great children's film, was the fact that I never felt it was talking down to its audience at all -- the kids were equal to it; not below it; not lesser beings. Perhaps it would have been even more so if the film was more faithful to the source. Of course, I can't say, except to say that the elements you felt were missing were very much there for me.
And in regards to Carrey's performance being misunderstood, what I mean is that Carrey -- in this film more than any other -- and quite seperately from and with disregard for the plot [and that's probably what some of you have a problem with] -- is working like a madman to catalogue the infinite possibilities of the human body. Lemony Snicket's is not only a children's film, but a filmic document about the elasticity of one man's body. Mind you, I don't for a minute believe that it was consciously planned this way by actor or director! But that what I see when I watch the film.
Or maybe I'm just being a pretentious blow-hard.
Posted by: Matt | 15 January 2005 at 04:28 PM
"...a filmic document about the elasticity of one man's body."
Hasn't he provided many similar documents in, like, almost all of his 'popular' movies, and often to a greater extent than in this one? Anyway, I think we'd all agree that Carrey was far more exciting in a certain movie that's already received a great deal of digital ink in these pages.
On another subject: I suppose I was disappointed by Team America -- I wanted something really unequivocally vicious, not so gosh darned blue -- but I still thought it worked well enough, overall, and the craftsmanship was consistently impressive even when the humor was not. And there must be a movie that had better original songs this year, but for the life of me, I can't think of one.
I didn't even realize it was Golden Globes -eve until this morning, though. I don't think I've ever watched the ceremony -- it's time that could be better spent reading or watching a movie or something, since it lacks a.)the (bloated) spectacle and watercooler-value of the Oscars and b.) frequent irreverence of the Independent Spirit Awards.
Posted by: dvd | 15 January 2005 at 04:44 PM
"Hasn't he provided many similar documents in, like, almost all of his 'popular' movies, and often to a greater extent than in this one?"
Yes, but I'd argue over the "greater extent" bit.
And of course he was better in Eternal Sunshine. I'm just saying is all.
As for Team America, my God: blue is right -- the satire's aim was way, way off on that one.
Posted by: Matt | 15 January 2005 at 05:03 PM
Lemony Snicket opens here in Germany at the end of the month, and both of my kids want to see it, so there I'll be. I would have been kinda dreading it if Matt's enthusiasm hadn't intrigued me. I'm actually looking forward to it now.
But any dread I had before was all about Silberling, not Carrey. Carrey's one of those brilliant loose cannons the industry just hasn't figured out what to do with yet. I know I'm in wild disagreement with the cinetrix and Liz here, but there you go.
My favorite Carrey performance is in a less than mediocre movie, actually, Liar Liar. But there more than ever, you couldn't help thinking: Oh, my, what are we going to do with this neutron bomb of talent?
Posted by: David Hudson | 15 January 2005 at 06:45 PM
I'm surprised no one's talking about A Very Long Engagement yet. I just saw it and found it one of the most beautiful -- both in terms of cinematography and emotion -- of any movie I've seen this year. Not to mention the most complex. Anyone here seen this?
Posted by: gwenda | 15 January 2005 at 09:55 PM
I also just saw Engagement this afternoon. It's great, but I'm not sure how great. I had a bit of trouble trying to read the subtitles while catching everything that Jeunet crammed into his frames. Sometimes I almost prefer watching subtitled films on DVD: I can see the whole frame and read the subtitles at the same time, rather than having to flick my eyes back and forth to catch it all. I always find I'm missing one or the other when I watch subtitled films in a theater.
I'll give Engagement the award for the most beautiful film of the year, and Jeunet's take on classic romance is pretty moving too. Watching Tatau walk that final path, the tension was pretty amazing. I couldn't wait to see them meet.
I also like that his films are unafraid of sex; for him, it's both more romantic and lusty than in most American films, which rarely find the same humor or vigor in it that he does.
Posted by: Peter | 16 January 2005 at 01:18 AM
I need to see it again, too, but it's a rare war film I'm willing to watch again... so that says something about how much I loved in and of itself. One of the things I loved best about it was how it honored the book (which is fantastic, one of my favorites ever), while still becoming its own living, breathing entity. I heart this movie.
Posted by: gwenda | 16 January 2005 at 10:58 AM
I can't help but wonder how much better a film The Life Aquatic would have been if Noah Baumbach hadn't contributed to the screenplay.
Posted by: Filmbrain | 16 January 2005 at 01:08 PM
I haven't managed to pinpoint exactly what Anderson brings to his screenplays, and what material comes from his co-writer. My first assumption, regarding what Baumbach/Wilson contribute, would be: a sense of humor and congeniality. I think Wes has a great sense of melancholy that's growing more and more with each film; if he writes one by himself, it might be fairly painful.
Posted by: dvd | 16 January 2005 at 01:41 PM
I would hazard a guess that Anderson brings a lot of the fantastically dry one-liner/insults to the script. Aquatic seemed to have more of those, and - maybe this was because of the character - they seemed to be more cutting than usual. Knowing how he loves to take small visual details and use them to succinctly encapsulate a wealth of meaning, often both humorous and sad, it'd make sense that he's the one who gives the scripts their ferocious-yet-compact, understated bite.
Posted by: Peter | 16 January 2005 at 02:08 PM