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phyrephox

Personally I enjoyed 3-Iron more as an almost naively simple parable than as what I think most critics are taking it as, namely very accessible art cinema.

Aaron Hillis

I second that assertion, Mr. Phox. 3-Iron never felt gimmicky to me, and seriously, when did naivete in romanticism become such a horrendous crime (as some critics have blasted Kim Ki-duk for)? We're not talking about one of those video-bootlegging bastards that deserves the death penalty or anything.

Filmbrain

Sure, 3-Iron is entertaining, but you have to admit that the no dialog thing is really little more than a conceit by Kim. (I’d be willing to engage in a discussion of why they never spoke.) Both of you know my passion for Korean films, and what I feel Kim is guilty of is tailoring films for a world audience. Is that a crime -- hardly. However, it does distance him from his subject quite a bit, and what I saw when I watched this film was a product rather than a work of art. (Same can be said for SSFW&S.) Compared to the uncompromising approach of directors like Hong Sang-soo, Im Sang-soo, Park Ki-yong, etc., Kim is far more calculating. (It's doubtful any of those directors will ever get a "STUNNING" from Lisa Schwarzbaum, as Kim does for did for his latest crowd pleaser.)

Kim's naiveté (or perhaps better referred to as a case of arrested development) isn't the problem. It's just that he seems to strive for the depth of other directors, all while keeping things simple for the pop-art-house crowd. Yes, part of this is sour grapes. People who would never go see a Korean film go and see his films, while the truly great directors can't even find a distributor in this country.

Though his misogyny was hard to take at times, films like Bad Guy and Address Unknown were far more interesting.

cjoy

KKD is a planet orbiting totally out of the system. He doesn't have a formal education background, which has a very important meaning in Korean society and its film industry is no exception. His very well calculated market positioning(?) may have something to do with the fact.

dvd

I love Kim Ki Duk, but 3 Iron is probably the most inconsequential of his works. It starts out wonderfully, and the magical realism that takes over the second act has its charms; but it's a bit on the touchy-feely side, and the text with which he ends the film is sort of akin to David Lynch posting an explanation (apology? insult?) at the end of Mulholland Drive.

As far as breaking the boundaries of language with silence, Tsai Ming Liang does it much better, although certainly not so accessibly.

Filmbrain

As far as breaking the boundaries of language with silence, Tsai Ming Liang does it much better, although certainly not so accessibly.

Excellent point DVD -- Tsai's characters usually don't speak due to the absence of another person, or because they have nothing to say. While it was charming to watch the abused wife follow the homeless BMW-driving rebel without a word, it was a gimmick.

Adam

Hey Filmbrian,

This is sort of off topic, but in case you haven't heard yet, you'll be happy to hear HONG Sangsoo's new film is a late addition to the Competition section at Cannes. That's two year's in a row for him. Let's hope amateurs don't call his film amateurish this year.

twotonkatrucks

what is wrong with making films accessible, keeping the audience in mind and at the same time doing so in an interesting way. i think he is making films exactly the way he wants to -- and like you said it is quite beautiful to look at. ssfw&s, despite what you say, made me think for days -- as it reminded me of the three metamorphosis, not sure if that would qualify as being shallow or "not as deep as it purports to be". being obscurantist i'd argue is far more susceptible to those charges than being clear and perhaps explicit about the things you want to communicate to your audience.

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